I thought id have little look at the speed punching world records,the fastest I can find is this chap. "Chicago, Illinois, United States / November 24, 2012 click here for the clip The most full contact punch strikes in one minute is 805 by Robert Ardito (Australia) in Sydney, Australia, on 18 March 2009. Keith Liddell completed 900 contact punches in one minute." Thats 15 punches a second! from 2012, and I cant find anyone who beats this? hes literally just using the shockwave off the end of it,so he gets a snap each time.these are short arm punches not full power,pure snap,this is the boxers part of the knuckle.But this is really,the most shockwaves completed in one minute. click the link below 900 PUNCHES IN ONE MINUTE The most full contact punch strikes in one minute is 805 by Robert Ardito (Australia) in Sydney, Australia, on 18 March 2009. Thats 13.4 full contact punches a second and thats been the record since 2009 heres a clip of the first attemped theses are still short punches.
I thought it was Ian Bishop but from what I can tell he never got the record?
but is claiming that he has the record
Guiness book of records said
"The punches must be thrown against the focus mitts with a person holding the mitts, the punches must be full power punches not short arm punches i.e wing chun kung fu style punches."
Ian bishap said july 2013
"hi sorry I've only just seen this message now.im most definetly interested in the challenge, although i have seen the video of 805 strikes in a minute and as an experienced martial artist i wouldn't say these punches are correct full contact power punches.i am interested to challenge Robert ardito and prove myself to be the best and make a name for myself after nearly forty years of hard training. i would really appreciate it if you.could reply asap.thank you, Ian bishop founder of the transporter system"
You know when I was watching Mike badger Breaking the record.I couldnt help but Think, that he wasnt using the Ripping shockwave.i didnt have chance to show it him properly on the day. but ive just shown him the "Ripper"and im Quietly confident hes going to smash the record again. The ripper has 40% more power,than the deep shockwave. here you can see the type of Kinetic punch he used to break the record,and the step up with the ripping shockwave. heres the clip!
Heres some numbers From a Pro boxers punch.measured on the strikemate.
Best-hook punch Welterweight Pro-Boxer 75Kg 33,000 cu Best-rear hand punch Pro-Boxer, Welterweight 75kg 36,000 cu
Mike Bager 74kg rear hand boxing punch scored at 28,580 which is just below a pro boxers punching level,Which its what you would expect,ann he beat the boxing Hook Record at 33,746cu But look at his kinetic punching Numbers.
Mike Badger
Best-rear hand punch below 75kg 46,765cu Best-Hook punch below 75kg 39,508 cu
What you might find even more interesting is he was using the deep shockwave,the Ripping shockwave adds another 40%more power so the potenial is massive.Imagine what i could do For MMA and BKB and even though this punch cant be done in boxing gloves.dont think that i cant take any of you boxers to a whole new level as well.
The world record breaking Kinetic punch!
Time to join the Revolution
Heres the numbers of the kinetic punch as it stands.In a nutshell the kinetic punch compared to a boxing style punch
Jab Straight Cross
At long range the straighter kinetic punches have +40% (upto 63%) more power
At close range +61%
6inch punch +141%
Stepping before punching +17%
Hooks Uppercuts Overhands
At long range the hooking kinetic punches have +30% more power
At close range +118%
Stepping before punching +6% more
Shockwaves example
Kinetic jab+ Light shockwave +40% on the boxing punch
Deep shockwave +70%
Ripping shockwave +110%
Smashed to world records as well at the weekend.
old record Pro-Boxer 75kg 36,000 cu
new rear hand kinetic punch 74kg 46,765cu
old record hook Pro-Boxer 75Kg 33,000
new Best-kinetic Hook punch 75kg 39,508 cu.
it also got extra reach and more headmovement.
Check out the differences at long range and at close range
Hook and Cross
Jab
Close range punching, straights, hooks and the six inch punch
Well I’m have, to that was a very interesting experience. I can’t
believe how much the strikemate has just taught me again today! It appears at a
quick look. That the percentage step up between the two punches can be very
significant, and the shockwaves are the ultimate key and it really depends on
just how well you can deliver the shockwaves with the standard punch. But also
just how refined your standard boxing punch is to start with. The better you
are at the shockwaves, the bigger the step up is when you make the switch. Here’s
two guys are known for their power!
So we’ve got mike badger, a very hard hitter, been fighting,
teaching muay Thai for 20 Years. Mike was shown the light. Deep shockwaves in
2010 and was shown a basic version of kinetic punch around the same time. But it
hadn’t been refined since and he hasn’t been shown all the shockwaves. But
spent some proper time developing/refining that, the deep snap. With a
significant difference in what he was doing, giving him some serious impacted
into his boxing punches.
Rob Mawdesley (Thor) is an instructor, bjj expert, trained
since he was 4? He’s held one punch record and still holds a kicking record. He
has some serious skill, last time I was up measuring my punch. I showed him the
knuckle and wrist position of the kinetic punch. But he never practised it. So
rob was totally new to it really, but talk about a natural athlete, you just don’t
see many big guys, with this sort of skill set, the look on mikes face when he
held a pad for him! Serious power. He out punched me pound for pound, and beat
every number I got on the strikemate on the first visit. And this was with the
boxing punch! So I was thinking if this guy is kinetic punching? What’s he
going to be getting? But it’s important to remember he was taught it, and within
minutes, testing it
Roberts measurements
Roberts best boxing cross was 35,625
Roberts best kinetic cross was 46,545 that’s a 32% increase in
power
Here’s a look at the percentage increase of his shockwaves
on the kinetic hook
Light shockwave 28,546cu
Deep shockwave 37,855cu that’s a 32% increase in power, (max
30%)
Ripping shockwave 49545 that an increase of 30% (max40% )
Mikes measurements
We started off with the cross, I measured their standard
cross punch first
Mikes best boxing cross was 21,798cu I made a few tweaks
that brought it up to 28,580cu that’s a thirty 30% increase by breathing with a
sharp breath! And intent. Same boxing punch.
Mikes best Kinetic cross was 46,765 that means, his kinetic
cross has 63% more powerful than his boxing punch. Altogether from 21,798 to
46,795 that’s a 114% step up. At 74kg mikes hitting at 631cu per kilo that’s a
serious number! And I’m thinking that’s a record below 95kg
Mikes best boxing hook was 33749
Mikes best kinetic hook 39,548 that’ means his kinetic hook
has 20% more power (max30%)
Mikes hooking Shockwaves
This was a kinetic hook, but later in the seminar, the
important bit is the percentages, tired or not they should still be the same
step up across the board
Light shockwave 23,907
Deep shockwave 30,731
that’s 28% on the light shockwave (max
30%)
ripping shockwave 37,727 that’s 22% more power than the
deep(max 40%) so he’s got a bit of work on the Ripper, but he’s right there
with the deep shockwave (that was the one that gave him 46k when he was fresh)
Mike at 74kg matched Roberts Kinetic cross score at 100kg , But both of there kinetic cross scores were with deep shockwaves. as you know the ripping shockwave on the cross adds another 40% That means there a potenial score available of 64,000cu. That would give Mike a kg per pound rating of 864kg per pound.The best so far punching is 781kg by uriah hall (ufc)
I also think Robert would be doing something similar in his own weight class,with a bit of practice,even though he already at the top.
Heres a clip of mikes progression of the deep shockwave and the boxing punch from 2010,none of use are kinetic punching yet either,notice how the fisrt punch,has more of a dull thud,wouldnt hurt no were near as much basically.in the third clip you can see just how much more imact and explosivenss is in his boxing punch.look at the pad fireing away!
Shockwaves are the main key to precision,power,impact,enegry used,speed.
lets have a look at the close range power levels
Karl’s close range punching
Notice the massive drop off in power of the boxing punch as the kinetic punch holds its own
Best boxing punch 9390cu
Best kinetic punch 15686cu the kinetic straight punch at
close range has 67% more power
Boxing hook close range 7796cu
Kinetic hook close range 17069cu the kinetic hook at close
ranges has 118% more power
My 6 inch boxing punch was 4432
My 6 inch kinetic punch was 10725 the kinetic 6inch punch
has 141% more power
Basically I’m backing up the measurements I got personally,
an proving that it’s the same step up across the board,For everybody because it’s a
different technique to the boxing punch.
the boxing punch has a roll in the shoulder, which gives away the punch, this is also the type of punch Kimbo is conditioned the read, he changes the karate style punch on the third, because kimbo doesn’t see the boxing movement, it’s also a quicker punch, because of the drive
when j whites hands are down, and he says don’t let me hit it, he’s stood at a distance that action beats reaction, using a drive, instead of a boxing swing, he knows at that distance, it can’t be stopped/blocked, simple and based on science, but takes a lot of skill to do, and years of practice to master....unless of course you learn the shockwaves,these are the fast track to speed, precision and explosiveness.
but it can take years to master, if you train regular in bigger boxing gloves, you will roll the shoulder, Michal white has a karate background, so he didn’t start in heavy gloves, top level boxers use much more of a drive, using the head more, to control the body movement, this significantly reduces the movement of the shoulder. Apart from hand /wrist position the key to this in Gloved Boxing is the shockwaves, they’re the quickest route, to teaching you an understanding of precision, speed, explosiveness on a level that the top pros understand it. Here’s Bernard Hopkins starts talking about exactly the same thing just in more detail.with a little defensive stuff thrown in, as it starts,hes talking about the same thing,from a pro boxing view.the difference here is you have no choice with the shoulder,but it becomes much more important to be in the right position ready to fire the punch out, with the shoulder already dropped in position,then the punch only moves forward,and there no obvious shoulder roll.
here a clip of me explaining what there doing,in detail,and explaining the strongest position for the boxing punch.
I though i have a little insight about the man himself Dennis jones was the guy that taught me the basics behind the kinetic punch.And that what he taught me was from his own mission from karate,then working as a doorman for 26years,was to find the secret of the one punch KO. Youll see that this Man,Clearly Knows his stuff
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"On guard! Hands high or low?
As many people know an answer to such a question depends upon the ‘situation and environment’ that they might find themselves in. However, it goes without saying (even if I am saying it!) that if your sport is boxing or whatever you would enter into the bout/fight using the protocols and proven strategies of your chosen sport. For boxing it would generally be (especially when in striking range) hands held high to protect the head and elbows in to protect the ribs etc. (And no flapping of elbows when punching!)
When I first started training in Kyokushinkai karate in 1973 we were taught, in preparation for ‘dojo knock down fighting’, to fight one hand high and one hand low. Training under some of the Japanese, as well as, some top British instructors they all used one hand high and one hand low to pretty good effect. Yet by 1978 everybody, or so it seemed, were punching whilst at the same time using the opposite hand for a face cover. And with the advent of ‘knock down tournaments’ Kyokusinkai practitioners using both hands held high to protect the head, were by the late 1970s training like western boxers with kicking and kneeing thrown into the mix as well. However, we still trained to fight at a particular distance, not as close as Judo and a little further apart than boxing…What is the primary distance of a street fight?
Bouncing and street fighting
One night in 1980 when I first started bouncing I was working at the back of a night club. Working on one side of a pair of fire escape doors, my job was to stop customers coming in and out through the fire exit. On the other side of the doors was a long flight of stairs that went from the third storey down to the car park and safety if a fire happened inside the club. Half way down the metal stairs was a landing. Around closing time a fight had gone off involving 5, 6 or maybe 7 people. They had fought by the fire doors and then down the stairs on to the landing. When I and a couple of other doorman got to them, we barged the lot down the remaining half flight of stairs and away from club. Very quickly it’s over for us and I am standing with my colleagues at the top of the stairs enjoying the fight of which I had no intention of trying to stop. I had now become a passive observer. However, what happened next forced me to re-evaluate certain aspects of my training.
The fighting and arguments had stopped and one of the combatants then casually walks over to a skip and discreetly picks up half a house brick. With his arms at his side he walks over to one of the other guys and without taking a fighting stance, a high guard or a split second pause to get his balance, he just hits this guy full in the face with the half house brick. The man got a quick glimpse of what was coming but the half house brick just ploughed through his attempted guard. He went down like a sack of **** and the fight had gone from a brawl between a group of squaddies (British soldiers) and civilians into something far more serious. Everybody stopped fighting and even though I was not involved my heartbeat went through the ceiling. The guy that used the brick took to heels and did a runner.
Quite simply what I had seen was as far as I was concerned an assassination attempt, which was also incredibly effective in its simplicity. Not long after that I saw a similar drama unfold in which the assailant used a claw hammer. In both cases nobody, not me nor any of the bouncers that I was working with thought the ‘armed man’ was at a disadvantage because he kept his hands low and slightly behind his back as he walked up to his victim! Nor did we take it upon ourselves to think that we could easily defend ourselves against such dangerous people. But what I saw that night (and on many other occasions over the years) was an effective pre-emptive strike. It was executed without a pause, without a stable static stance and interestingly quite a few of them started with a small leap-which covered distance very quickly-into the intended victim.
Driven by hate it seemed to me that the antagonist only had to satisfy two criteria:
•Full intention to use a weapon
•Full intention to carry out the attack.
Having made the decision none of them, so it seemed to me, were concerned about being able to adjust their game plan once the wheels of motion were brought into play-it really was a case of ‘I do what I want!’ From such experiences in the early 1980s I decided that I must ‘try’ and develop what is known in traditional karate jutsu as the one punch kill, but I’ll digress first.
Thugs, drunks, coke and pill heads
When confronted say by two guys in a nightclub, pub (bar) or in the street it ‘should’ be obvious by the way they carry themselves, their language and demeanour that they have evil intentions towards you. You are forced, because you have no way of extracting yourself from the situation, to take the ‘first’ one out of the game. However, it has always struck me as being foolhardy to put your arms up into a guard position a moment before you launch your attack. Not only are you ‘arresting’ the momentum of your hand technique but you are also telegraphing your intentions ‘long’ before you execute the technique. And it is just as foolish to put your guard up if you have to walk a few yards towards an opponent and especially so in a crowd where, because you have identified your intentions, you could easily get sucker punched or bottled from the side or from behind by one of his mates! And anyway once a punch is on its way towards the offending face/head then by default there’s your high guard for you!
An argument has been put forward where ‘leaping in’ and hitting a pad with an elbow technique (YouTube clip (3:18) is impractical."
‘Using the “wrong technique” because of how far I am away from the targets’ has in my opinion not been full understood. Irrespective of where I am as I launch my attack, or even if I am 10 yards away from my intended target and I have to walk up and then launch my attack, it is obvious that at the point of contact I am just an elbow distance away from my target. If that were not so I would miss or hit the opponent with both my shoulder and body weight! As one strategy amongst a number of strategies I have ‘jumped in’ [It was executed without a pause, without a stable static stance and interestingly quite a few of them started with a small leap-which covered distance very quickly-into the intended victim.] on many occasions in a nightclub/bar fight to good effect.
In a fight or even a brawl balance is always dynamic-it is on the move. Good balance or even bad balance changes from split second to second and in a nightclub in close proximity to numerous other people with some trying to grab and punch you, being stable in a static position could prove highly uncomfortable even if you maintain a high guard. Keep on the move and constantly change position and preferable to your own advantage so that in the melee you set your opponent/s up. It should be noted though, that even running away requires ‘your’ dynamic balance to be successful!
Irrespective of what martial art you practice it is not common for anybody whilst fighting in their chosen discipline to end up on a life support machine or even dead. The risk on the street or in a nightclub can be far greater and scarier than many people care to consider. It is not about punching a few drunks to get a name. Doing that is easy but even that can be more dangerous than you think-who is their brother, their dad or their friends? It’s only mug bouncers that do that sort of thing. Yet, on the other hand try imagining what it’s like to fight a drunk that’s trying to shove a broken bottle in your face! Alcohol is one thing but the biggest problem since the early 1990s is drugs especially cocaine, now imagine fighting one or two guys out of their faces on cocaine. Immune to pain, having no fear, full of hate because of their ****ed up minds…Flesh and blood cannot fight numbers or weapons ‘that well’, and as a bouncer I have learnt to live with that reality for 26 years.
Punching
In the link:
the leather bag weighs around 94 lb, the bottom half has the density of Granulated silver spoon sugar. Prior to this I had spent many years punching a makiware and had also spent around 3 years punching a concrete post and about the same time on a sand filled Wing Chun wall (3) pads. I also spent many years, on and off, training on boxing pads as well as light and heavy punch bags. At the time of this training session (1993) I was working on correct body alignment for delivering maximum power through two knuckles (seiken). I had been working as a bouncer for 13 years and had by then been in many fights. (Experience-what looks like me doing body shots on the bag are in the main head shots. People bending over-it happens a lot in street fighting!) For me it was obvious, I needed to have as much impact in my punches as I could possible generate from ALL MY BODY-tendons, muscles, nerve connections and connective tissue and also my full body weight (approx 200 lbs). My knuckles had to be tough and hard to take the tremendous stress, and the bones in my arms had be in perfect (punching) alignment so that I could use my body weight, both in sliding and jumping, to its best effect.
I have never considered myself the hardest hitter around but I know that there ain’t that many people who could hit that bag bare knuckles as hard as I could. I never grazed the skin on my knuckles nor broke my hand which on that bag was a very easy thing to do especially punching the bag without bandage wraps and bag mitts. In reference to grazing the skin, I rarely skimmed the bag with a punch either left or right hand. My seiken would dig into it feeling as if the two knuckles were reaching into the middle of the bag. Although I worked on other ‘stuff’ like wrestling, grabbing, locks, kicks etc., my martial art for self defence has always centred on hand techniques. In 1973 I was taught a basic karate punch and following the traditional precept of continual training, practice and tempering with experience, I have, some millions of punches later-1000 punches a day for three years started me off-evolved into what I am. I don’t swing my punches-they come off tangent from a sphere, and have proven very effective on many occasions over the years. My karate is as simple as walking up to somebody and hitting them, something I saw some 29 years ago. In my younger days I wanted to be just as lethal as the man with the brick, but be able to do it unarmed. In my journey I have learnt a few things yet one thing that does stand out in every fight that I have ever seen or been involved in:
There are no rules in a street fight except your own morality.
And as I got older I have learnt that there is more to martial arts than fighting.
Regards Dennis Jones
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Superb Article on the realitys of street fighting
and As for the Shockwaves they all came from this session!
